I Was Wrong: P*rn Can Destroy Your Life — episode transcript
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I Was Wrong: P*rn Can Destroy Your Life — episode transcript
Simone Collins : Hello,
Malcolm Collins : Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be exploring the question of whether certain types of pornography can lead to gender disassociation And eventual gender transition. And this would be a major update for me because, generally, the approach I have taken to [bleep] is as long as it doesn’t involve real people, you know, you’re not supporting the OnlyFans industry. You’re not supporting the human sex worker industry. You’re not supporting any of that. I generally saw it as a protective thing because it was a way for kids to engage with arousal and their sexuality that didn’t put them in as much danger as as some of the other pathways. I now am significantly updating that after doing more research here Oh. To which I am going to update it to some arousal pathways are entirely safe to experiment with and play with. Other arousal pathways are very, very dangerous to explore.
Simone Collins : Including sissy hypno? Does sissy hypnos hypnotize you to
Malcolm Collins : become a sissy? That’s one of the things we’re gonna... I don’t I don’t think it... The main topic of this is gonna be sissy hypno, but it’s... It was really inspired for me more by thinking about the Amber Paradox situation and whether or not this is it... Because... And I try to think about it with as much empathy as possible. I feel really bad for him. I feel really bad that this happened to him. I do not think that he went into any of this with a malicious intent. and I feel like he sort of got trapped in it. And and part of it for me, if you look at this, you know, him questioning his gender identity and whether or not he’s trans and whether or not he wants to go down that pathway, I feel in a way... This isn’t the only YouTuber this has happened to. there was another YouTuber who, when he was younger, wanna say Freddie or something, he would dress up as a girl, like, once every month for, like, some streams. Some of the viewers got off on him dressing like a girl. Good. And so they did things to encourage him doing it more and more and more. And as he got into this girl mind space, he eventually decided he’s trans.
Speaker 3 : he originally presented this as a humorous gag and swore to be cisgendered, as time went on, the story took an odd turn as the streamers started hanging out with trans individuals who would eventually be accused of crimes against minors. On top of this, a wealthy donor started appearing in his chats offering him an ever increasing amount of money to fully embrace his female persona to the point that they legitimately offered $300,000 for Finster to get a breast augmentation surgery. Within five years, what started as a supposed goof was now the young British lad’s entire life. Presenting as a woman full time, getting intensive gender affirming surgery, struggling with alcohol abuse, and filming hardcore adult content for those willing to pay.
Malcolm Collins : And what we’ll be exploring here is the way that groups of guys... Because this is a fetish, and it is a fetish that we’ve we’ve had on our show. Well, we never aired the episode because the guy was really boring. But, like, the transvaccine community seems to... The guy who leads the transvaccine community, for people who do not know, is a cis male.
Speaker 14 : This is a community dedicated to try to convince incels that their life will be easier if they just become a woman. Even if they are an uglier or whatever woman, because they are trans, it’s still easier than being a male incel, which is a compelling argument to a lot of young guys online. what really... When I first heard it, it sounds like, yeah. That makes sense. And then I learned that the community is run, and the manifesto trying to convince people to transition is run by somebody who didn’t transition themselves And that’s when I was like, oh, this is a fetish thing.
Malcolm Collins : And if you look at the trans vaccine manifesto, it is very clearly written by somebody who gets turned on by the idea of convincing guys to transition. We also saw this really clearly with the giggling Gooner clown files, but those aren’t the only instances.
Turkey Tom Giggly Goon Clown Files : A year later, the boy joined Tumblr to participate in fish communities. This exposed him to sissy hypnosis Yet, there was still a sense of shame as he attempted to quit masturbating several times. Before I was 17, I would delete all my, like, once every few months in a no fat fit, trying to get my life back together. And I would just come back over and over. That all changed one fateful night when he finally gave in.
Speaker 30 : And I’d point out here even with the giggling Gooner files, you see an association between intense feelings of shame around pornography consumption and going off and becoming a full. These two things are very closely linked to each other. And if you don’t accept that shame in the beginning, you appear to, other episodes on this, have less of a chance of going off the deep end.
Turkey Tom Giggly Goon Clown Files : I remember going outside completely naked except for my shoes at around 3AM. Eventually, I came, I shouted quite loudly, hell Satan. This wasn’t something I planned beforehand. It just happened in the heat of the moment. The first excerpt comes from DMs Every single trans girl is a horrible pervert to some extent. I haven’t ever heard of one who isn’t. I should become a t slur too just to pile on. And women don’t feel safe around you, dude. They just know they’ll be canceled if they don’t act that way. God. every t slur finds out one way or the other. All it took was for you to realize sexual predator equals t slur. OMG, I love pretending to be a girl. I don’t care if it’s predatory or whatever. Don’t blow up our spot, bro. All tslers are like that. You can trust me around your kid, it’d be transphobic not to. Me with daycare tots. Jack broke up with his girlfriend, was on estrogen, and had an OnlyFans. Orion was the manager of said OnlyFans, coursing him every step of the way. This is apparent by how he talked about him to others. Has he started hormones yet? Yes, but not effectively. I guess it’s what you’d expect just telling a... Or to buy hormones. They bought estrogen but no anti androgen. It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at like 12. Isn’t that true for everyone? Don’t worry. I’ll make him into a good girl. here they are praising an infographic It’s genuinely really good grooming advice. On 04/04/2023, postcard reveals he’s in contact with four minors aged nine to 13. I’ve so far sent it to four minors between the ages of nine and 13. I hope it encourages them to transition. He gloated about actively grooming them weeks later through EPI. Can you send me furry HMVs? Any Useni will be forwarded directly to a minor.
Malcolm Collins : Right? Like, this is not that unusual of a fetish, actually. And so I look at these communities and look for the methodology that they’ve been using to effectively transition people. And, essentially, what I have come to and what I will be sharing with you guys is I have seen enough now in terms of anecdotal evidence, in terms of people writing about this, people who are both detransitioners, people who affirm their trans identity, who talk about this being the first step on that pathway for them. And I can... And I... When when I’m looking at any of this, like, obviously, I’m of a sexual profile, which is quite, like, these sorts of things just aren’t gonna have an easier time getting their hooks in me. But I have tried to... Like, have I ever seen the appeal of this sort of stuff? Right? Like, any of the things in these categories. and I realized when I was sort of thinking through it and myself historically, it’s like, when I was really young, I remember, like, once or twice, like, fleetingly being like, yeah. I guess that could be... Like, I could see how that would be hot, but I’m a guy and, like, I’d much rather... Like, I... It’s it’s just as hot for me to do the guy thing to imagine being in a position of dominance or aggression or anything like that. And so I’ll do that today. And I realized that any individual one of those fleeting moments in my mind may have been a much bigger choice than I realized in the moment in shaping the person that I ended up becoming from a sexual profile perspective.
Simone Collins : So you’re saying people’s arousal pathways could be, I don’t know, like, teetering into certain pathways, when they’re younger?
Malcolm Collins : What I’m saying is there are certain collections of traits. let’s let’s talk about, like, just generic types of a woman or something like this. And I, for example, if I’m like... If I’m looking up a girl in [bleep], the thing that I, like... Or when a AI art or something like that is nerdy. Nerdy is what I go for. Nerdy glasses, that sort of stuff. Right? I guess my wife. Right? You know? But I could, if I wanted to, because I know I I I find it attractive when I look at it, be as into goth chicks or punk chicks. You know? I just sort of, based on my self identity, chose to not focus on that. And if I had focused on that, could that be a larger part of my mental arousal profile? Even, you know, any category. Trashy chicks, for example. Like, if I decided to focus on that, could I, girl failures? Could I build an arousal profile that includes more of that? I think that, there are some kinks that people have, and studies have shown this, They’re more like lock and key. Right? Like, the amount of [bleep] you consume doesn’t actually increase it. You just find better fits for that particular key, and so you go further with that. However, I think that it may work a bit like the keyhole kind of loosens a bit every time it’s used to some extent. And some categories, even categories that are looked down on by society, actually, for males or females respectively, don’t really have negative consequences on their daily lives, and if anything, might have positive consequences on their daily lives.
Simone Collins : Okay. And, like, this isn’t all just, here’s a new way you can spiral into a bad place in life, but possibly, here’s how you can spiral into a better place.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. And, I think with the the the reason why was actually the first comment after we did the the episode going over this Is they basically said, and this is sort of where I sit on this, if he is somebody who has, in per paradox, been sucked in to a lifestyle that correlates with an arousal pattern that they have groomed in themselves for a period, and this has sort of been exposed at this point. The question is now, the community will probably accept and forgive them and see them as even, like, a a a pathway if they go to streaming as a male, and they sort of move away from this. Or they can take this being revealed as an opportunity to double down on this. and I think that, you know, we don’t know, but they saw this as very tied to, like... Because in a way, the community affirming this sexual display that he’s putting on puts him deeper, deeper, deeper till he ends up like this other young YouTuber who this this sort of forced gender transition thing happened to. And with this other one, it’s pretty clear that he was not questioning his gender at the beginning of this, but that there were specific individuals who were very turned on by the idea of getting him to transition, and that is what instigated everything. And so the question is is how do you how do you fight this, right, as a as a community? How do you prime your kids to fight this, and and what’s the evidence for this? A note here before I go further, if I’m just going to lay out where I think the dangerous categories are and Yeah. Arousal profiles, would avoid. And arousal profiles, I think, are a complete nonissue. Of things I would avoid are bimbofication. Oh. So popular. Okay. Interesting. Forced gender conversion. Well, I mean, if you wanna see why bimbofication is one thing that I would avoid, look at the one Trump aide’s husband who ends up wearing... You know, first, you’re focused on the bimboification of the character, then you get that confused with the bimboification of yourself. So I don’t think that’s worth going into. The other... Another category is femboy stuff. I would just completely avoid that even if that is something that arouses you because, you know, the the femboy, it’s like it looks like it has the... At least the secondary phenotypical characteristics of a female to a lot of people. I don’t think that that’s worth it. Forced feminization and specification, I think, are pretty dangerous in this category. And then, gender bender transformation, hentai and anime. And note, for a lot of this stuff, it’s like if it ever is applying to you or the active party within something. Right? To put it another way, there’s two ways you can consume something like NTR. Right? Either from the perspective of the person who’s having sex with somebody else’s wife or girlfriend or from the perspective of somebody who’s being cheated on. One is clearly long term significantly more dangerous. I’m not saying that either is is good, but one is clearly more dangerous than the other. Right? In the same way, it goes with something like vimification. Right? Like, are you doing this to somebody else, or is somebody doing this to you? Like, the directionality really changes the danger of these
Simone Collins : Right. Because one is potentially threatening your identity and place in the world and relationship, etcetera. And the other one is, like, you might be causing collateral damage if you indulge in this in person or, like, IRL.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. whereas the stuff that I think of that can be generally very safe is things that involve male dominance, even to fairly extreme levels. So so And
Simone Collins : I think this goes the same for women.
Malcolm Collins : As the male is a dom, it’s good, good, good. You’re going up to, you know, sadism even type stuff. I don’t think that’s a problem.
Simone Collins : And what I’m saying is even if you’re a woman, that’s, like, the safest bet. Because it also, like, completely increases your sexual market value if you’re trying to
Malcolm Collins : Well, as a woman, it does increase your sexual market value, but you’re likely not gonna get a guy that you would enjoy as much in many ways. But as a woman, we’ll we’ll... I’m putting that aside because most of our audience is male, and I’m worried more about our male children being captured by this fight bullying than our female children. and cross dressing related stuff, I would also put in a fairly dangerous place.
Simone Collins : Makes sense.
Malcolm Collins : Being able to make these distinctions for your kids to be like, just stay away from these fetish categories. And if the kid asks why, it’s like, is there literally nothing else you find arousing enough to get off to? Right? Like, I’m I’m not saying you have to live a celibate life. I’m not saying you can’t be a degen. I’m just saying put a box around this stuff because it can begin to eat at your identity and lead you to make life changes that are very, very damaging to your ability to build a family and act in society Okay. So first, I’m gonna go into a bit of research that’s been done on this. You have the twenty twenty three work published by Vapipil and Cuss in sexuality and culture, and it’s fairly small. They’ve used 16 consumers of sissy hypno, framed as out of a kind of feeling persuasive pornography. And I’ll go into how this type of [bleep] works because it’s very unique, actually. And there were identity and sexuality shifts. Several participants said it was the first time they seriously considered themselves feminine or transgender. So it was the consumption of the [bleep]. Like, they could have, without seeing or consuming this [bleep], presumably, they were perfectly happy with themselves before this. They could have just lived their lives as heterosexual men. They began to consume the [bleep], and then they adopt this identity.
Simone Collins : Identity. Oh, Oh, dear. Dear.
Malcolm Collins : Second is the people who consumed it consumed it compulsively. Around half consumed it daily. And they engaged with it with strong secrecy, urges, everything like that. And note here, if you as an individual are watching this show and your takeaway is, but literally everything that turns me on is super subby. Everything that turns me on is one of these categories. There is nothing like... In the same way where I’m like, come on, guy. why do you have to cheat on your wife when you could just masturbate instead? Right? It’s like, why do you have to do sissy hypno when you could just... I don’t know. There’s gotta be something else that you’re into. You know? But
Simone Collins : I think, well, maybe it could be that a lot of people end up checking this out when everything else feels so boring, and you just need to feel alive again because you’re just so dulled by
Malcolm Collins : Well, that’s actually part of it, actually.
Simone Collins : Levels of consumption. When you get to that phase, you need to do a thirty to ninety day dopamine detox.
Malcolm Collins : And Well, no. You were saying naltrexone.
Simone Collins : Naltrexone too, but also, like, a really a really common solution if you don’t want to take naltrexone, which can be hard to get, is It’s...
Malcolm Collins : No. It’s it’s not hard to get all day chemists. You just check a box, and
Simone Collins : it’s there. They should they should cut us a check. But if you don’t want to do that, literally just doing a dopamine fast, and then you get to feel the feels again. It’s not that hard. Oh, okay. It’s that hard, but grow a pear. Some of
Malcolm Collins : our fans have also reported that taking deparicitizers have helped, and see our episode on our
Simone Collins : You know, people have also reported taking various forms of semaglutide have helped. Like, they’re trying to lose weight, and suddenly they’re like, wow. I... My other habits have changed. So, look, there are lots of
Malcolm Collins : ways to notice. Somebody’s like, how dare you say you say this? Do you... You’re telling them that there’s a way to live as a non trans person and still be... And it’s like, yeah. I mean, presumably, you think living as a trans person is super inconvenient and super hard. So if they could be just as happy and maybe gooning feels a little less good, that that would seem like even from a trans community perspective, a good path to go down. Right? But let’s go over what people have said about this because I found this pretty interesting coming both from the trans community and from the detransition community. It is actually a fairly common topic and a fairly common way of this being awoken. So if you know that this has the capacity to awaken this, then just stay away from it.
Simone Collins : Yeah. And if if you’re so bored that you’re being driven to that, that’s a sign that you need to take a break.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. Well, an example here could be like, look at Anna Valens. Right? You look at Anna Valens,
Speaker 20 : If you are unfamiliar with Anna Valens, Anna Valens is the vice journalist who tried to ruin the lives of Kirtia and Leaflet and, I think, Powder, by doing this big expose on why VTubers who have mildly right wing opinions are terrible and need to be off the Internet. And it blew up and, because she just lied about a bunch of things, and really ended up damaging her lives. And on other episodes, we sort of used her as the archetype of the cenobite trans individual who has dedicated their lives to anything that turns them on or gives them pleasure.
Malcolm Collins : and she had a giant panoply of kinks. Right? To name two off the bat that would have had very little negative effect on her, she seemed to have both a free use kink for women that she was having sex with and a vore kink. Neither of those kinks are gonna have massive negative effects on your life. Specifically, a vore kink where she was in the dominant position. being that, why did she need to engage with all this other stuff? You’ve already got two extremely kinky kinks. Stick with those. Those are fine. Okay? Those aren’t gonna affect how you interact with other people on a daily basis unless you feel the need to sort of stream about it, which I guess she did. So there’s that. Alright? But let’s continue here. Alright? So from off my chest, this is in 2025. I’ve been addicted to sissy hypnosis [bleep] for over a decade, and it made me realize I am a trans woman, 30 female. in my... Now note here. Being addicted to a corn of this category for over a decade where you are imagining... And I didn’t know this in sissy hypno [bleep] because I’ve never watched sissy hypno [bleep], but I was trying to research to understand how it works. And, actually, it’s fairly common in sissy hypno [bleep] for one of the themes to be that you are being forced into a gender transition. people are giving you hormones against your will, or compelling you through hypnosis to take hormones. Hormones are a common part of this category of arousal.
Simone Collins : Ever since Bronze Age Pervert spelled it w h o r e m o a n s. I will never be able to hear it any other way. Hormones.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. Well, and the reason why, this was so evocative to me when we were looking at the situation of Amber Paradox is in the book that they wrote and still, you know, considered something that they’re proud of, is... A major theme is the forced gender transition of the main character. Right? this idea of a not taking personal responsibility for a gender transition is very hot to some people and a very hot idea to engage with. And I guess what this episode is is, my god, there has to be something else that turns you on.
Speaker 21 : And note here, I want to be clear. I’m not saying that any of this is a specific turn on of Amber Paradox. The larger point I’m making here is actually what makes his situation so tragic is it all appears to be fairly mild interest from him in this stuff. And his audience appears to have unknowingly affirmed this interest through the role play and the sexualized role play that he was doing as that character.
Malcolm Collins : But to continue here, in my late teens years, approximately my first year of college, I discovered a rather unique subgenre of pornography called sissy hypnosis. The bulk of the videos are edited cuts of different [bleep] videos with superimposed text, which often includes things like you are a sissy, you are a woman. The second part really landed. And over time, I realized that this wasn’t just a fetish, that I genuinely am a woman rather than just a sissy. I started my transition roughly five years ago and have subsequently been on HTR the whole time and had several surgeries. I don’t know that there... So to just go over how this category works... Because they described one version of it, but it usually involves audio, I think, on top of other things, like images or other... I I should probably have at least looked one up. But I Is
Simone Collins : it gross you out too much? I thought it was... Yeah. It could it could be like I I Like, two years ago, I tried to figure out what this was. I I think a lot of it... Some of it was, like, Gone Wild audio where you’re listening to it and, like, someone is hip... Like, it’s... Well, it’s like play acting, but, like, they’re play acting, hypnotizing you because that’s the that’s the thing. I I I I I I maybe don’t fully understand it either. But, yeah, I think the point is that the content is it’s being done to you. And this is a way... Because keep in mind, like, one of the the... Especially for women, primary pathways around arousal has to do not with gender, but dominance and submission. I think that if someone’s looking for an extreme submission style experience, having this ability to kind of fantasize that in... Like, you are actually being hypnotized right now. You’re listening to a thing that is actually hypnotizing you can make you feel like you are going through an extreme submission experience, which turns many people on. The problem being that if you are a more suggestible person, it could actually lead you
Malcolm Collins : I I just don’t understand how... Like, me as a normal human with an understanding of human psychology.
Simone Collins : No. You’re just... You’re so, like, extreme dominance coded. Like, I don’t think it could
Malcolm Collins : No. I I don’t understand how anyone could get off to this type of pornography for five years and not become trans. Right?
Simone Collins : Like Oh, okay.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. Yeah. Like, clearly, if you’re doing this daily for five years, yeah, you’re gonna actually want a gender transition. How is that
Simone Collins : not possible? Fair, there are lots of women who listen to self help books that are like, you’re worth it. You’re beautiful, and they’ll never believe that they’re worth it. They’re beautiful. This is
Malcolm Collins : the thing that I think draws people to these types of pornography over normal or other types of kinks Okay. Is that they evolve a loss of agency. And a lot of people in the research done on this said that the reason that they started to engage with this was that it removed the stress of of of daily life from them, removed the stress of responsibility for them. And if you go to other types, like, okay. We’ll go to Anavalence. Right? Free use and vore. Right? These actually, if you’re taking on the dominant role in them, increase the amount of personal responsibility you’re exercising over the reality around you, because you are the active player. Right? and I think it’s these passive forms of male sexuality which can be so dangerous. That that are in... That engage both your arousal pathway, but also your passivity pathway.
Simone Collins : So here’s one, I guess, potential counterargument people may give, which is what if these people who find this content to be arousing or think they find it to be arousing, find it so because in reality, they’ve always secretly identified as female, and this allows them to feel like it’s not their fault.
Malcolm Collins : I think that that doesn’t correlate with what we actually see of these people. They’re usually, like, otherwise very normal men even on... As many people have talked about on the more masculine side on average. And then they find the pornography, then
Simone Collins : they get the idea. The signs are more of, like, extremely high sex drive. So numb to the existing erotic material that they’re consuming that they turn to this, not because of some trans curiousness, but because of just complete having, like, worn through everything else. So here we are.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I think that when you say, like, dominance coded, note how we argue sexuality works. There’s arousal pathways, and there’s disgust pathways. And when I said, like, in the past, I’ve seen this stuff, and I’ve been like, I I guess I can see the appeal of something like that. Probably the loudest thing that prevented me from going down that pathway is the very strong disgust pathway I have to seeing myself as submissive. The... That pathway was just too loud to even think about the other thing. And if you lack that discussed pathway, the choice might not be obvious for you. And so what I’m trying to do with this episode is create a heuristic, not just for our audience, but for children as well. Right? Like, for our kids, when I’m like, when you engage with [bleep], know there’s gonna be all of this stuff. I don’t care. Like, just be aware if you go down this pathway five years later, do you think you’re still not gonna wanna become a woman? Like, if you engage with it this way, with this fantasy over and over and over and over again, do you think you’re gonna wanna be a woman, which is such an easy thing to do, such an easy... The the alternate pathways are not as risky. So if I go to the end of valence again, because I can go to free use and vore here, the instances in which somebody actually did try to eat somebody else are incredibly low in society. It does not seem that engaging with vore as a content type makes you actually want to eat people. There’s been, like, two cases I’m aware of in, like, the last fifty years or something like that. So, clearly, that’s not a big temptation. it’s the same with free use. Free use of females, unfortunately, it’s just not a major temptation for guys because not many women want to be free used. So you can’t go out there and engage in it. So there’s just no temptation to it. And I think that this is true of, like... Let’s talk about other categories. Hypnotizing someone. Like, hypnotizing a woman into being obsessed with... You you can’t do that. That’s not a thing. So there is no temptation there. Right?
Simone Collins : I mean, there is because, for example, anyone who’s into that could make sissy hypno audio that people find online.
Malcolm Collins : I suppose that’s the way.
Simone Collins : Yeah. That is that is absolutely something you can do, and it can hurt people. But you’re not being hurt as such. You’re not being hurt.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. So the the Arceusology subreddit had a poll on this. Like, do you think it it made you trans? And, like, people are just explicitly saying in no uncertain terms, yes. It did in my case. Unfortunate. And then for some other quotes here, but I started out being into sissy stuff. Sissy stuff looking back is what really opened my eyes to who I am, and I think the reason I am eventually transitioned. And, again, if you look at how much harder your life is after transition, even just in terms of ongoing medical expenses or having a rotting thing there, you know, this can be a major... Go into that if you wanna go into that. I will never do an episode on it because it’s just too disgusting. But it... It’s definitely not, even when it works out, a fun experience. Like, you’re typically... Almost anyone, I think, would realize they’d be better off in never discovering it. And then somebody said it definitely started for me in a similar way. Watching 50 hypno made me realize that I might be a trans woman, and I’m figuring it out. Somebody said that fake sissy hypno broke my facade. I wasn’t a man. I never have been. so, again, like, repeated people are coming to this through... And this is what really gets me is when they talk about it as not a fetish, it’s like... But within their own community, they’re talking about it as a fetish here. So... Or they’re talking about it from an arousal perspective. Somebody says too long didn’t read after a long post on this. My sexual and gender identity has been completely flipped on its head because of sissy porno slash hypno. And then in our trans, there’s somebody saying, I’m a bi... I’m just going over first person account so you can see one that says repeated and what it feels like to be a person going through this. But you, as an objective outside observer who hopefully hasn’t gotten into this yet, you can hopefully see even if this does turn you on, nothing good comes from engaging with it. And and and the reason I keep saying just do some other kink is that removes a lot of the barriers of you’re saying this because you’re kink negative or you’re weirded out by sex or you’re... And I’m like, no. I’m I’m I’m none of those things. I’m saying it because I want what’s in your long term best interest, and that’s why I’m trying to prime you in this way. Like, there’s gotta be something else. Right? Is it really... An orgasm feels like an orgasm. Okay? Now presumably, some are are marginally better, but is it worth the long term consequences to the rest of your life? And you may not even be able to organize them again after taking gender transition medication. I think about quarter True. People lose their ability or or change the gender primary attraction. For another one here, context, I am a biological male confused about whether I actually wanna be a girl or it’s just a fetish. I feel like my entire gender identity crisis has been caused by this kind of [bleep]. Before I started watching it, I never felt like a girl myself. I mean, I still occasionally tried on girls’ clothes, and it felt good, but it wasn’t until I started watching Sissy Hypno that I truly began to question whether I wanted to transition or not. So that’s... I... I’m not gonna go too far into this. Then we can look at this from the detransition side, where detransitioners talk about this even more than people who go into it transition. Right? So you’d have people like, I think this SHIT is sinister and grooming. I was in my late teens. I made it to sissy hypno. I used to have a better relationship with females. Now I hate them. I used to be cis. Now I’m having gender confusion. I hate sissy hypno [bleep] now. [bleep] has negative impact on many of us. Before you go into this, what were you like? I refuse to call my d a lady d anymore. You were groomed by [bleep] into becoming this way. It really is brainwashing, and I’d rather have my mind back. Other people. I got sucked deep into the sissy rabbit hole over the last six months. It just started uncritically believing what... That I am naturally a sissy or naturally feminine. I even stopped identifying as a man, and at times, I believed I could only ever be my, quote, unquote, true self by transitioning. I either believed that I could become one of the beautiful bimbos in a sissy [bleep] or became depressed believing I will never be able to. Somebody else said, sissy... This does not sound like they were trans before this. Again, sissy [bleep] can, this is another person, put in your head this idea that you were meant to be a girl and that you’re missing out on your true self by not transitioning. And then one longer recovery story, a user described years of addiction, starting young, temporary belief, believing transgender cross sex hormone experimentation, and then recovered by first quitting the pornography. And by quitting this category of pornography, they were able to quit. But what I’m saying is it’s by not saying just all of this is bad, all kink is bad, all [bleep]... All... You can make a, an alternative that can seem plausible to people, which is why I push that. Right? Where I’m like, okay. If you’re really into this, right, is there any alternative for you that would be fine? Right? Like, that’s not gonna lead to some really negative externality. And and I think that you can see this on, like, a scale. Right? Like, let’s talk about, like, furry stuff. Right?
Simone Collins : Okay.
Malcolm Collins : If you’re into, like, normal furry stuff, like, let’s say, like, Keirsha’s avatar or something like that. Right? Like
Simone Collins : Oh, I heard they killed that furry.
Malcolm Collins : Right. I don’t think you’re at risk, but you can realize yourself if, okay, you’re watching that, and then it starts to be more furry, then it starts to be more furry. And then you can be like, Maybe this is gonna lead to some really bad long term externalities if I keep engaging with it, specifically animal stuff, and just move back from it. Oh, animal stuff is another category that I just suggest There’s gotta be something else for you.
Simone Collins : Sure. Yeah. Look. I don’t know.
Malcolm Collins : Or you become Vosh.
Speaker 22 : I’ll make it clear. You can write this down. I want to fuck a woman as a horse. None of this is a secret. I just... To be clear, you know, many jokes have been made about this, but I stand by it. My moral principles are rock solid. I’m... My feet are firmly planted in the ground. I’ve got my boots up. They’re planted firmly. You you cannot move me from my position. This isn’t a secret. Let’s talk to a therapist. Well, why do you wanna be the horse, Vosch? Because then I’d have a giant dick. Okay. Couldn’t you have an... A a big dick the other way? Well, yeah. I could... Like, yeah. I could have a big dick hypothetically in any variety of scenarios, but then it wouldn’t really be a horse dick. Well, you could be a human with a horse dick. Yes. But then I wouldn’t have that powerful stallion energy using it. There you go. That’s it. That’s the whole thing.
Simone Collins : With this stuff, just keep it... Don’t go overboard. You know? Why do people have to go Well,
Malcolm Collins : the thing is is that in the trans maxing community, they talk about this stuff as a way to get people... For the people who turned on by getting other people into this as a way to do this that has repeatedly worked for them.
Simone Collins : Yeah.
Malcolm Collins : in the, giggling goon files, what’s important to note is, he’s... Was able to convict six or seven other people in his community to start taking HRT. Which... What what do you compare that to me getting people in our community on naltrexone? Because I know, like, I never heard the people in the community have, and they’re like, oh my god. This is amazing. Nothing game changer.
Simone Collins : If if you, yeah, if you struggle with addiction, it’s such a game changer. But
Malcolm Collins : Well... Or pornography or pornography types that you don’t like. If you want to... Like, no. Really? Be on naltrexone half a day. On on, masturbate to the types of [bleep] you wanna stop finding attractive while you’re on naltrexone and, get off to the types that you do want to be more attracted to and are already... It’s something for you while you’re not on it. And real quickly, you’re gonna all of a sudden... And you can make a rule for yourself. The rule doesn’t need to be, I will never do sissy hypno again. It’s I will never do sissy hypno again unless I have taken naltrexone at least half an hour beforehand. if you do that, you can you cannot... Because that was for me what got me off alcohol as as, like, a massive daily part of my life is I couldn’t tell myself, Malcolm, you’re gonna stop drinking alcohol, or you’re never gonna drink alcohol again. My brain was like, no. I will not do that. Like, that’s never gonna happen, Malcolm. but I was able to tell my brain, okay. Compromise. You can drink alcohol as much as you like for the rest of your life, but you can never again do it while you’re off an opioid agonist. And my brain was able to be like, okay. That’s a compromise I can deal with. And that has had a massive positive externality on my life.
Simone Collins : Yeah. That was amazing. I did not believe it would work. Yeah. Well, where where comes the the encouraging part where, like, here’s a way to make your life better.
Malcolm Collins : What you said is... As I said, this is how you do it.
Simone Collins : Well, that’s just how to not do the bad thing. I thought you were
Malcolm Collins : gonna say no. Because that can reconstruct a portion of your sexual profile. Yes. You’ll still always be turned on by that other thing.
Simone Collins : Oh, so just, like, go on naltrexone and do all the good things that can produce dope... Dopamine, like hanging out with friends, exercising, doing good in the world while you’re off of it, and do all the
Malcolm Collins : things that are... That produce dopamine but are bad while you’re on it. Well, no. I’m I’m saying explicitly in the context of your own sexuality, not just doing good in the world. If you have some other kink, focus on that other kink instead of the kinks that can lead to very big negative externalities.
Simone Collins : Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s fair. I... It’s... Okay. I I struggle admittedly with, like, relating to people with addictions. But
Malcolm Collins : Well, yeah. I mean, you’re not really tempted by that, but I I can really understand where somebody with an addiction is coming from. And you tell them you can never do this again, and a person with an addiction is
Simone Collins : just gonna
Malcolm Collins : be a little dark.
Simone Collins : One of the smartest parts of your brain is the voice of addiction.
Malcolm Collins : They they can rationalize anything. All the other parts of your brain to control you. Yes.
Simone Collins : This is why I never tried to stand between you and addiction because I would not win. The voice of Simone is not stronger than the voice of addiction. I think many partners understand this.
Malcolm Collins : This has been a massive update for me when I used to just be more like, look. As long as it’s imaginary, it doesn’t matter. Where now I’m more of the thing which is, no. I’ve been blessed with a unique sexual profile where while I might be into kinkier things, none of them could lead to massive negative externalities. And that sexual profile may have in part... Because... Okay. Keep in mind, you’re talking about me. You know, I’m not somebody who is overly interested in looking like the most masculine man in the world. Right? Like, I have made it clear that my favorite form of entertainment is Mawas about reborn villainouses navigating royal and and ducal life. Those are... It’s about... I... Like, how how often do I watch this, Simone?
Simone Collins : And when I walk into his room office bedroom, 60 to 70% of the time, one of those is playing for sure.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. So a lot of people could be like, so this is one very girly content to a lot of people. Right? Like, oh, I have to have the right. Oh, or or or, somebody stained my dress before the ball. You know? What do I... How do I get back at them? I have to... Oh, they’re they’re doing their fan signs in in just the right way. I could I could, honestly, probably really enjoy doing VTubing as a villainous character with a voice changer. That would be, honestly, probably my most natural character to do as a DJ. Oh my goodness. But I shouldn’t because I know that that’s a temptation for me. Like, I’m really enjoying putting on that particular act. Yeah. But what I’m saying here is that I under... Understand in the... And, actually, that might be why that one category of gender transformation doesn’t... Like, I I I actually thought about when I was creating my avatar. I’d be like, oh, it’d be really fun to create a villainous avatar for myself. But the reason why that didn’t set off the red flags for me is the villainouses are never subs.
Simone Collins : So Oh, yeah. So you could still be dominant.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. I didn’t, in my head, think, oh, I’m taking on a submissive role. I thought, oh, I’m taking on a dominant role as a female, so the alarm bells didn’t go off. But what I’m trying to say here is even somebody like me, is making these decisions about what to engage with and what not to engage with. Like, I’m not free from any type of temptation at all.
Speaker 23 : This is obviously a damaging thing to admit that I think it could be fun. And I mean, it’s in a totally nonsexual way. I wouldn’t get off on this at all to do the haughty Edwardian villainous act as a VTuber. But I’m saying this, and, again, this is a damaging thing to admit about myself. But even completely non sexually, if I did this act for years on end, for hours a day, and was being validated for that, could that change the way I see myself and relate to my own gender? Honestly, I would be shocked if it didn’t.
Malcolm Collins : And, why these things, I think, can be tempting to a male, well, it’s because you’re a male. Right? Like, when you take out the disgust associated with the idea of being a submissive woman in my mind, the, dominant woman, I’m watching a show. I wanna see a show about things that I find visually stimulating. Right? Yeah. And I find women, especially intelligent, self assured, cunning, ruthless women
Simone Collins : Yeah. You’d rather watch those than, like, handsome dudes. It’s not really what you wanna watch.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. I’ll be honest. I actually have, like, an active, like, disgust feel from
Simone Collins : some Well, isn’t this why most... Like, so many guys play as girls... Play video games as girls?
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. Well, when I watch, so there... There’s, like, a few sports that, like, are so gay coded in my brain that my brain gets, like, an ick watching them. specifically, professional wrestling of, like, the the the Greek style, the the type they do in high schools and stuff like that. Yeah. Football and basketball. They just come off as, like, too... And this isn’t even me as somebody who’s, like, particularly homophobic. They just trigger whatever that disgust sense is me that prevents me from ever considering gay [bleep] as being something I would look at. Right? but I think the the the... These other categories of porns are ways you can get started down this pathway without it feeling explicitly gay at first. One interesting thing I’d note that is explicitly absent from all of these categories, and this is something that comes up on the leaflet stream occasionally, is futa [bleep]. None of these these these people... Because I did a fairly extensive research on this.
Simone Collins : Because that has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the the most extreme possible form of surrender, like your entire body being transformed by someone else’s will. Futa. Literally. I know. But Futa is not that. Futa is not that. Yeah. Futa is saying, generally justification has nothing to do with surrender. It just has to do with... Look. I want... I wanna look at an act of of
Malcolm Collins : Well, the the... On the
Simone Collins : lead stream looking at
Malcolm Collins : it, dude. The argument has gone like this. It’s gone, what is less gay? Watching another man have sex with a woman in [bleep] or Watching a a dick have sex with obviously. With a dick have sex with
Simone Collins : another woman. That’s the less gay version. Like, see, that’s that’s completely different. That’s just for men who are super turned off by the male physique. Which is actually
Malcolm Collins : very, very common in males. Males may
Simone Collins : experience That’s that’s that’s... They’re completely unrelated. I... It goes without saying, I think.
Malcolm Collins : Well, I... Yeah. But a lot of trans people will try to convince you because they think that that’s what they’re becoming, and it’s like, no. That’s not... You’re like a monster. Okay? You’re you’re the most male of a thing that could possibly exist, which I think a lot of trans people don’t realize before they transition, especially the gay ones, is whatever in me makes me really disgusted by a woman who has been very, very promiscuous, makes me disgusted by the thought of sleeping with even a perfectly transitioned trans person. Because for me, it’s like they’ve had a maximum amount of d already down there. Oh,
Simone Collins : distance from distance from d. Okay.
Malcolm Collins : Yes.
Simone Collins : The the d maximum. D. Oh, dear. Okay. Never thought about it that way, but there’s a reason why I never would have thought about it that way. It’s... This is not my domain. I’m out of my depth here. You’re on your own. Here I am just trying to figure out why people are so weird and figuring out the weirdest the weirdest things they’ll do.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. Like, basically, this is how I’ll I’ll I’ll... I think we should engage our kids on these subjects is to be like, there is some categories of [bleep] you just need to rigidly... Even if it turns you on, let’s go over what happens to you five to ten years later. Do you actually want to live like this, or would you rather be in a happy family with a with a wife and 10 kids or whatever?
Speaker 24 : And I really wanna emphasize this to these people who are like, what? Do you not want me to get off to the thing that gets me off the most? I I promise you, there are things that get me off. Nothing in my life would I not give up for my family and my kids and my wife. When you achieve the level where you’re able to, on an autumn day, go on a walk with your wife and kids like I did just yesterday morning, or I’m probably gonna do in a few hours this morning, there isn’t any amount of of gooning or hedonistic pleasure that comes close to the happiness you will feel in those moments.
Malcolm Collins : And and this is something I also point out to all the, like, super anti [bleep], anti masturbation conservatives. They’re usually childless and often unmarried. Okay? The ones who are, like, chiller about it are usually the ones who... Like like me
Speaker 25 : And, no, it’s not just me. Like, okay. Who as an online right influencer and used to do hentai reviews? Nux Taco. Who is in a happy marriage? Nux Taco. Who never cares about this stuff but is a super edgy online right canceled figure is Edward Dutton, the jolly heretic. Who’s married? Edward Dutton. again, you see this pattern over and over again. Who’s rabidly anti [bleep]? Nick Fuentes. Who is unmarried with no kids? Nick Fuentes. It’s a pattern, and you’ll see it when you start looking at the influencers who actually matter, not the older boomer ones. I don’t really pay attention to that because that was a different era.
Malcolm Collins : . Like, if you’re like, oh, he’s trying to ruin your life with this. Like, presumably, I don’t have a problem with it. I built a business that is partially around Not Safe For Work AI chatbots, realityfabricator.ai, and Not Safe For Work comics, which I’ve been trying to make a lot better recently. and yet, I have a healthy relationship with my wife and a bunch of kids, and I’m married, and, like, things are working out for me. Like... So I... I’m only giving advice that is downstream of something that has been positive in my life. Right? Like, that hasn’t pulled me from the course. And what I realized or what the big realization was for me is that may not be the case for all pathways a man might take or for all therousal patterns that a man might have. And so this is how to better deal with that.
Simone Collins : Yeah. That’s fair. I mean, I think it... It’s similar to a lot of different choices, many... Most of which are not sexual. Like, choosing to build your identity over how much wealth you have, which forces you down the sedonic treadmill of wealth signaling, or identifying as, you know, someone who does this or that. Like, there are so many choices that you can choose to lean into or out of in life that will lead down a very good or unsustainable path. And this is just one example that is particularly salacious.
Malcolm Collins : That is Actually, when I was younger, my mom really tried to guide me towards identifying and being satisfied based on how much I could signal wealth and status. Because that’s what she did. That’s what she did. And I did it, and I was able to do it. And I was able to feel good and satisfied from doing it, but, like, logically, it didn’t make sense as a way to live my life. So then I restructured my life. And so that was a pathway that was tempting to me and I attempted, but I was just like, but if I keep going down this pathway, I looked at what happened to my mom, who was very unhappy at the end of her life and very unproductive as a citizen and very un... And I was like, no. I don’t wanna do this anymore. This is bad. This isn’t a good way to structure my life. I should structure my life by whether or not I’m having a positive effect on the future of the human race. And that’s what I should get satisfaction from. And so I restructured everything around that, and then things have been a lot better since then. And she would always get mad at me when I talk about, like, look at how wholesome my house is. Look at how wholesome my wife is. Look at how wholesome my kids are. And she’s like, why do you care? And I was like, because I’m I’m wholesome, Maxine, man.
Simone Collins : She didn’t have any of that. Not having it.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. That... That’s where I got, like, actual deep satisfaction in life. And she was just like, why why do you care about this? Why are you focused on this? And it’s like, because, I guess, then it it builds as a a sensor in my brain. Anyway, love you, Simone. Do you have any final thoughts?
Simone Collins : Just chill. Touch grass. Don’t
Malcolm Collins : What do you mean chill? Like, do you mean if you’re turned on by this? Do you mean if you’re... Like, what... What’s your advice to somebody who says, look. I started doing this. It’s the only thing that turns me on. Like, what would you say?
Simone Collins : What do
Malcolm Collins : say to our kids? What do you say to our kids?
Simone Collins : Okay. Yeah. Okay. One of our kids turns out to be way into this. Oh my god. Yeah. I mean, your advice is good. This is not gonna end well, and here are other alternatives. I I Naltrexone. I think you’re right. Yeah. Naltrexone’s one
Malcolm Collins : of zone. And then and then I’ll do printouts of all of the most debauched other fetishes that are okay and be like, you could do this or you could do this or you could do this.
Simone Collins : See, I really just... I feel like a dopamine fast solves so much of this. This... It... It’s but, again, like I don’t think a dopamine fast is all good. No. If you have enough time to do this, something is wrong in your life. If your life is not so full of more meaningful things, I just... I worry. People don’t have enough problems.
Malcolm Collins : Easy for you because you got five kids and a husband. I
Simone Collins : know. We need... People need more problems. People need way more problems. I am I am too tired.
Malcolm Collins : No. But the the answer is that they cheat me. They that you should be dating harder. You should be pit...
Simone Collins : Yeah. No. You’re you’re clearly not working hard enough.
Malcolm Collins : The reason why I do enough. Never went deep and down one of these rabbit holes is because I was even when things weren’t going good for me, I just doubled down on the dating, doubled down on the company, doubled down on whatever I was building. As people have seen with that hilarious comic somebody made using our fab about
Speaker 26 : I’ll provide a link to it in the, pinned comment. But, like, it starts with Simone going, I’ve been reading about medieval architecture recently. There’s something incredible about the way those cathedrals are built. And Malcolm’s saying, oh, yes. I actually added a system that can generate architectural reconstructions in our fab. And then Simone goes, of course, you did. And then I say, but it goes a bit further now. It can also generate entire fictional civilizations complete with religions, economies, political systems, historic conflicts, and population dynamics. And then Simone says, Malcolm, why? And then I said, I wanted to see if I could. And then I say, I’ve also been working on hardware integration, email consolidation, automated research, blah blah blah. And then it goes on, and she says, so it’s basically an entire technology company at this point. And I’m like, well, not quite. I also added a feature that can manage autonomous livestock. And they say, yes. And it also manages and optimizes your health. And then it’s his phone’s like, you added what now? And I think this is very indicative of the way I’ve been handling our company.
Malcolm Collins : Love you.
Simone Collins : I love you too. Was that crazy comment you sent to me from today’s video?
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. It says somebody on today’s video. So that happened.
Simone Collins : Read it. I have to read it because it it is insane. this is in response to our video on the trans letter that went out to Texas, basically providing LGBTQIA whatever. Well, no. Specifically, use gender transition information to teens in Texas, but it was probably sent by Republicans. It’s a long story. Watch the podcast. But this person wrote, in Texas during COVID, my underage cousin received care packages from WPATH in Minnesota. The boxes had false bottoms hiding instructional pamphlets and free hormones. Grandma had no idea he was castrating himself under her care until my sister snooped and took one package apart. So illegally, without a doctor, WPATH circumvented parental and guardian authority to distribute drugs to children, complete with instructional pamphlets on how to trick psychologists and doctors into giving the recipients what they wanted. And WPATH hid them underneath boxes full of candy, puzzle books, and magazines. When my sister confronted the cousin, he said it was his choice and claimed it was too late to reverse it, so she’d better not tell anyone or open his mail again. My sister actually hid this from us at first, but by in... By the time she told us, it was actually too late. I’ve come to... I’ve yet to come across anyone else discussing those care packages. Edit BTW family in Texas... Families in Texas have been getting these pamphlets you’re talking about for months, not
Malcolm Collins : So the care package... I I I did some research on this. I need to add caveats. They were almost certainly not from the real WPATH.
Simone Collins : Oh, probably not. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins : They they were probably a a way to order likely with crypto because that’s one of the things I was researching for this episode, and we’ll do a separate episode on this topic. Oh. Just how easy it is to get access to all of this. Yeah. But, specifically, as easy as it is for me to get, like, naltrexone from One Day Chemist One Day Chemist also offers all of the... All day chemists. All of the drugs you need to transition male to female.
Simone Collins : Oh oh, right. Okay. That makes sense. Do you still have pay them to do the shit? Right? They used to be, like, you have to, like, Venmo money to, like, a sports company.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. Which to me, this whole, like, I want to prevent my kid from being exposed to the pathways to do this
Simone Collins : is They’re gonna find it.
Malcolm Collins : A stupid idea.
Simone Collins : Well, I thought maybe this wasn’t real. Like, because remember how right after, again, after Trump got elected in 2025, or 2024, whatever, when he got elected this most recent time, people were like, oh, like, I’m never gonna be able to access plan b. And then people thought that the desiccant tablet that was in pregnancy tests, clear blue pregnancy tests, was a plan b pill. And they were eating... I guess they... No. They... I I hope that these influencers who are talking about it were not eating the desiccant tablets, but they were implying
Malcolm Collins : No. They were. They were. They were incredibly stupid. But the the the point being is that as easy as it is for me to order naltrexone
Simone Collins : Yeah.
Malcolm Collins : A kid could quietly order everything they need to gender transition. The only thing that you can’t get from these Indian sites is the puberty blockers or what it is referred to as puberty blockers, but there are other crypto means to get those that are very simple. So the idea of, oh, a kid goes to another state and gets a subscription for something, That’s all. Even if you even if you cut all of that off You would barely add an inconvenience. And, actually, I would argue that this way of ordering stuff is more convenient. The WPATH boxes that the kid was getting were almost certainly just a set way of ordering it that hides it when you have parents at home, which
Simone Collins : Oh, like, pay, you know, $20 extra to make sure mom doesn’t find out that you’re getting pills in the mail. Yeah. Because otherwise, you’re just getting a package of pills and questions are asked. That... That’s a a clever service.
Malcolm Collins : That is a clever service. But what it means is is the goal on all of this is in your child’s heart and mind and not in terms of blocking access to them.
Simone Collins : Totally. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins : You you have to have a better system. and this is one of the reasons why generally and historically, we’ve been so pro masturbation and sexuality and everything like that because by being honest about what works with that stuff and what doesn’t work with that stuff, you can communicate in a way with a kid where they’re not thinking... Because this is all about your kids. Right?
Simone Collins : Like Oh, you can also ruin sexuality for your kid. My my parents were extremely sex positive, and so I was like, yeah. No. Don’t know. I’m not interested.
Malcolm Collins : Yeah. I’m gonna go do my homework now. Bye. This is what we’ll be talking about to some extent in today’s episode, because I’m gonna update my view on one of the things here.
Simone Collins : Oh, okay.
Malcolm Collins : Which is to say not all [bleep] categories and kinks are created equally in terms of the effects that they have on you.